48 is mainly what I'm talking about, they did it a lot. One city/village I remember off of the top of my head is Megiddo, Israel, only remember it because its supposed to be where the world ends according to Christianity I think.
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48 is mainly what I'm talking about, they did it a lot. One city/village I remember off of the top of my head is Megiddo, Israel, only remember it because its supposed to be where the world ends according to Christianity I think.
Lets remember Israel was attacked after the 1st day they were given the land by multiple muslim nations and fought that war for 13 months if I am not mistaken. Most of the desturction was because of battles where the muslims were attacking them from. Its not like they just went in and wiped it out.
i have not kept up with politics since obama came into office but when is this "change coming" that he promised???? everything he suggests gets slammed
He seems to me to be a flip flopper.
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Originally Posted by Crackersneckian
Dude, you do realize your link debunks that? He never said that and it was passed around in a chain-email, that's what your link even says.
What has he flip-flopped on? Taxes haven't been raised, Bushes ban on fed funding on stem cell research was lifted, working on healthcare reform at the moment(that's been fought vigorously)...almost 7 months into office and he's been working his ass off. Has a huge mess and somethings will take time, there's been plenty of prioritizing and that's going to frustrate some people - i.e. the gay/lesbian groups that say he's not doing what he said he was soon enough. But as for constantly flip-flopping? Haven't seen that, but have seen a man with a huge plate and trying to clean the mess he inherited up. No one believed or said he'd come in and be a miracle worker, no matter how much the right claims that we did, he's doing what he can even though he's not a year into his first term.
They will end up being raised tho--there's next to no way around that due to the economic state we're in currently. All depends on who/what taxes get raised on.Quote:
Taxes haven't been raised
I don't think he said "constant". I think it was more appearance thusfar than anything...and that's mainly from the prioritizing of certain issues that has occured so far.Quote:
But as for constantly flip-flopping?
On any level of politics, you don't change everything all at once--it'd be utter chaos. You concentrate on an issue (or 2 or 3 if related), and try to get it changed/tweaked if needed. Anyone who mocks Obama by saying "where's all the change?" or even pro-Obama people who are upset that he hasn't gotten to their pet project yet and expected everything to change automatically...they need to sit down and watch the South Park episode "About Last Night" that lampoons both of those mindsets. Hopefully they'd realize how dumb either stance is.
Exactly. Geitner said the other day in one interview I heard after being pushed on the issue, that yes taxes are going to have to be raised. He didn't want to say it but, was finally forced into admitting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoeburnCane
Yeah--it sucks...but no matter how much we hate taxes and love tax cuts, it's an economic truth that in order to get out of a deficit that revenues must increase--and the government's sole source of revenue? Taxation.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1inStripes
1. NAFTA - candidate Obama called for a renegotiation of NAFTA with the threat of pulling out altogether as a "hammer".Quote:
Originally Posted by Burton13
President Obama says he has no plans to reopen negotiations on NAFTA
2. Taxing of health benefits are on the table says president Obama.
Candidate Obama hammered McCain over and over for his plans inclusion of this.
3. Embargo of Cuba
4. Decriminalization of marijuana
5. Took single payer health care off the table.
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Originally Posted by Gotch
I'll just make it easy.
PolitiFact | The Obameter: Tracking Barack Obama's Campaign Promises
Promises that he has broken...compared to the ones he has kept, in the works and has compromised on. Looks like very, very minor flip-flopping and has kept/in the process of keeping them.
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LUFKIN, TX (KTRE) - President Obama unveiled his plan to invest $12 billion into America's community colleges.
The President of Angelina College, Larry Phillips, said it's good news as long as the money makes it to the campus and doesn't get road-blocked by state government or committees. He said they could use the money, now that almost 1,000 students have enrolled for the second summer session alone.
"There are over 1,200 community colleges in the nation and the last time I did the math, $12 billion divided by 1,200, I wish we would get our share, would be $10 million a piece. With not even half of that money, we could make a huge impact in the lives of students and people here in East Texas," Phillips said.
Obama's proposal aims to help 5 million Americans work toward getting degrees and education certificates.
http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp...1&nav=2FH5VsDB
Your link addresses none of these flip flops, such as his clear and public flip flop on NAFTA his flip flop on Cuba or marijuna laws. Your link addresses none of these in any manner.
How about the release of the prisoner abuse pics. Not saying I don't agree that he saw the light on some of these....but it's still flip flopping and he is doing a load of it.
And you're just mentioning minor things that were said here and there. As for actual large campaign promises? Haven't really seen any. Prisoner pics released? That's not as simple as it sounds.
The site does show what promises he has kept and is in the process of keeping, that's an incredibly large number compared to thhe "flip flops" you've mentioned.
And the marijuana deal will be left to the states, Cali is looking at it right this moment to created revenue.
The site makes no mention that I could find of his NAFTA flip flop and that's a big deal to a lot of people.
A flip flop is not necessarily going to show up as a broken campaign promise. Not sure the site was appropriate to the discussion.
and...you don't think putting a tax on health benefits into play after making it your primary focus of attack upon your opponents health plan is a big deal?
Great....more cash dumped for someone to loaf for 2 more after high school. Perhaps their should be some way they could work their way thru....Quote:
Originally Posted by Burton13
just wait until this report comes out about the spending of this great stimulus package that was supposed to save us....already a lot of speculation of excessive spending
i personally dont see why anybody would support this mans plans...health care reform will send us deeper into turmoil...not saying we do not need it but the way it is being approached will kill the small business and put even more people in the unemployed line....and the energy bill is just plain censored stupid....global warming is a theory and not a fact the stupidity of some people amazes me....why not wait and see if it is fact before dumping all this money into it...american's are like sheep they just follow the heard all because one person says the ice caps are melting now global warming the major concern
Can I see that direct quote? I've heard a senator suggested it in a meeting and then the senator came out and said Obama was open to the idea...but as for him saying it? Haven't heard it honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
This wasn't for the financial aid programs. It's for renovating, expanding classes(like adding additional programs or online classes) and competitive grants for ones enrolled. These "loafers" are the backbone of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by simple man
Can you explain that?Quote:
Originally Posted by oakland_raiders
He's basically eliminated capital gains taxes, expanded loan programs, in the process of creating a National Health Insurance Exchange and a tax credit to help them with the health insurance premiums...yup, so bad for small them.
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Originally Posted by simple man http://www.hostboard.com/forums/host...s/viewpost.gif
Great....more cash dumped for someone to loaf for 2 more after high school. Perhaps their should be some way they could work their way thru....
"This wasn't for the financial aid programs. It's for renovating, expanding classes(like adding additional programs or online classes) and competitive grants for ones enrolled. These "loafers" are the backbone of America.'
The colleges are full of people that are going for free, well at my expense and will never work a day. MECC ran a mining tech program YEARS after there was a demand for miners. There is WAY too much money given away to kids that change their mind and NEVER use the stuff. They quit or change the field they enter. You can find them in Wal-mart buying games with the grants.
Now if he will just start a war , and blow 400 trillion and disrupt the world's oil supply he can rank rightup there with the Bush family.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
Not a direct quote, just like I said...some members said he's open to it, haven't heard anything from him about it with the new reform plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
And it also helps countless people that can't afford it, if it weren't for the finacial aid...MECC be a ghost town, that's including the nurses that use it and get their degrees. But like I said, this money won't be going towards that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by simple man
"Mr. Obama left open the possibility of a tax during interviews last week, insisting he wasn't taking any option off the table despite his personal opposition. But two of his high-profile advisers -- budget chief Peter R. Orszag and economic adviser Jason Furman -- both have indicated they support some taxes on health benefits to pay for the overhaul."Quote:
Originally Posted by Burton13
He had the chance to say he wouldn't do it and side-stepped. Three top advisors (Orszag, Furman, and Axelrod) are saying it's on the table. There's more meat to this than you're admitting.
I haven't lost anything at MECC, loans would be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burton13
This is what I was afraid of , why I didn't vote for either top guy. pop pop problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
When I see it in the health plan, I'll have some opposition. That'll be a flip-flop, hasn't done anything yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotch
NEW YORK - More plans to build homes, higher stock prices and fewer people filing first-time claims for jobless aid sent a private-sector forecast of U.S. economic activity higher than expected in June.
It was the third straight monthly increase for the New York-based Conference Board's index of leading economic indicators, and another sign pointing toward the recession ending later this year.
The index rose 0.7 percent last month. Wall Street analysts polled by Thomson Reuters expected a gain of 0.4 percent. May's reading was revised up to a gain of 1.3 percent from 1.2 percent, while April was scaled back to 1 percent growth from 1.1 percent.
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The group also said activity in the six-month period through June rose 2 percent, with an annual growth rate of 4.1 percent. That's the strongest rate since the first quarter of 2006.
The index is meant to project economic activity in the next three to six months.
If these conditions continue, "expect a slow recovery this autumn," said Conference Board economist Ken Goldstein.
The Conference Board's leading indicators index bottomed in March after peaking in July 2007. The decline accelerated last fall after investment bank Lehman Brothers collapsed and credit markets froze.
"We're now getting data which points to stabilization," said Josh Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at research firm MFR Inc. "The overall signal they're sending is the slide in economic activity is poised to end. The jury is still very much out in terms of what happens after that."
Many analysts expect modest economic growth in the fourth quarter after the gross domestic product posted the worst six-month performance in about 50 years at the end of 2008 and beginning of this year.
Stocks rose modestly on Wall Street. The Dow Jones industrial average added about 40 points in midday trading, and broader indices also edged up.
Economic forecast rises more than expected - Stocks & economy- msnbc.com
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OAKLAND, California (CNN) -- Oakland's bid to become the first U.S. city to tax proceeds on medical marijuana passed Tuesday by a landslide vote.
About 80 percent of voters chose to impose the tax on Oakland's medical marijuana facilities, according to the Alameda County Registrar of Voters.
Some celebrated the news at Oaksterdam University by hand-rolling large marijuana cigarettes or stuffing cannabis into pipes. The school trains students for work in the medical marijuana industry.
"It is important because the city of Oakland is facing a massive deficit like many jurisdictions in California," said Steve DeAngelo, a leader of one of the city's cannabis clubs. "And we decided to step up to the plate and make a contribution to the city in a time of need."
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/california.p... /
NEW YORK ? The Dow Jones industrials are back above 9,000 for the first time since the beginning of January.
Investors snapped up stocks across the market Thursday, sending major indexes up more than 2 percent, after a report showed existing home sales jumped for the third straight month in June.
The 3.6-percent increase in home sales has investors excited that the hard-hit housing market might be improving. The National Association of Realtors said sales came in at 4.89 million, above the 4.84 million analysts had been expecting.
Several better-than-expected earnings reports also helped boost investor sentiment. Ford Motor Co. surprised the market with a second-quarter profit of $2.3 billion due mainly to a huge gain for debt reduction, while drug maker Wyeth, cigarette maker Philip Morris International Inc. and candy maker Hershey Co. raised their profit forecasts for the year.
Outlooks are especially important, said John Merrill, chief investment officer of Tanglewood Wealth Management in Houston. Merrill said companies have done well to cut costs during the recession to help profits, but now investors will be focusing on revenue growth as a driver of earnings.
"If the outlook is at all positive, it means revenue will increase," Merrill said. With costs already trimmed, revenue will quickly boost profits, he said. It would also indicate economic activity is picking back up.
Investors were able to look past a government report showing a bigger-than-expected rise in new jobless claims. The Labor Department said the number of new claims for unemployment benefits rose by 30,000 last week to 554,000, slightly above analysts' estimates. However, a Labor Department analyst said the report was distorted by the timing of auto plant shutdowns.
Also, total unemployment benefit rolls fell to the lowest level since mid-April.
After a month of wayward trading, stocks restarted the market's spring rally early last week after companies like Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Intel Corp. got earnings season off to a good start with solid reports.
"Things are getting much better and the market is pricing it in," said Phil Orlando, chief equity market strategist at Federated Investors.
In early afternoon trading, the Dow rose 190.60, or 2.2 percent, to 9,071.86. The blue chips last traded and closed above 9,000 on Jan. 6.
The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 23.13, or 2.4 percent, to 977.20, while the Nasdaq composite index rose 47.04, or 2.4 percent, to 1,973.42.
Dow tops 9,000 as home sales rise for 3rd month - Yahoo! News
WASHINGTON ? House Democrats announced agreement Friday on far-reaching steps designed to rein in the relentless growth of Medicare, part of a concerted effort to counter the impression that President Barack Obama's health care legislation is in deep trouble.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi hailed the agreement as a "giant step forward" for the bill that Obama has made a test of his leadership. Advocates said it eventually would turn Medicare toward a program that rewards quality, rather than volume, as well as alter a system that pays doctors and other providers more in some regions of the country than others.
Yet the leadership all but abandoned a pledge to approve legislation before a monthlong vacation scheduled to begin at the end of next week. Maryland Rep. Steny Hoyer, the majority leader, left open the possibility that lawmakers would be held in session a day or more longer than scheduled to allow time for a vote. If not, "We have every intention of passing it by the fall," he said.
Separately, talks between the leadership and rebellious conservative and moderate Democrats demanding changes in the bill collapsed in acrimony during the day, then were revived with a handshake a few hours later.
In a further attempt to blunt criticism, Democrats circulated a breakdown claiming to show the benefits of the legislation in each of the nation's 435 congressional districts.
The maneuvering in Congress came as Obama met at the White House with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chairman of the Finance Committee, who has been trying for months to produce a bipartisan agreement.
"I said to him (Obama) what I say to everybody. We are ready when we are ready," Baucus later told The Associated Press in an interview.
Obama has worked energetically in public appearances, interviews, meetings with lawmakers and a prime-time news conference this week to advance legislation he wants to expand coverage to millions without insurance at the same time it restraints the growth of health care generally.
"I'm fully committed to making that happen," Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press and other reporters Friday on health care.
Despite his efforts, Republicans have grown more emboldened as efforts in Congress stall, and some have suggested that defeat of the drive to remake health care could cripple his presidency, now in its sixth month.
Reid announced on Thursday that he was abandoning his timetable of passing legislation in the Senate before lawmakers begin their vacation, saying Republicans involved in the bipartisan negotiations had asked for more time. He said he expects Baucus to produce a bill within the next two weeks, though, and that the Finance Committee will vote on it in early August.
Across the Capitol, Pelosi virtually ordered a small group of Democrats from rural and urban areas to thrash out their differences Thursday night on Medicare issues that sound arcane, but matter enormously to individual lawmakers and likely will also lead to cuts in spending growth.
"This is just one piece of the puzzle, but we think it's an important piece," said Rep. Xavier Becerra, a Californian who played a key role in the discussions.
Lawmakers said the agreement would lead to changes in Medicare to try and reward doctors, hospitals and other providers for high-quality care. Critics argue the current system simply pays by volume ? compensating providers regardless of whether additional medical procedures contribute to better health care.
Under the agreement, the Institute of Medicine would complete a study by September 2011 recommending changes in the current structure for determining reimbursement. The administration would have 45 days to submit the report to Congress, and it would go into effect unless Congress blocked it by the end of February 2012.
Separately, lawmakers agreed to call for a second study by the Institute of Medicine to investigate regional differences in payments to Medicare providers, to be implemented in 2014.
House Dems clear one health obstacle, others loom - Yahoo! News
President Barack Obama?s administration is discussing ?some possibility? of Obama doing an event in Southwest Virginia, most likely to promote his health care reform plan, Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester said Saturday.
Former Sullivan County Democratic Party Chairman Larry Hall said law enforcement and Secret Service officials recently held a meeting in Blountville to discuss security for the event.
During his successful 2008 election, Obama held campaign events in Lebanon and Bristol, Va. At the Bristol event, held at Virginia High School, Obama pitched his health care reform plan.
U.S. Rep. Phil Roe, Northeast Tennessee?s Republican congressman, has expressed opposition to Obama?s health care reform plan, which has stalled in the Senate. But U.S. Rep. Rick Boucher, Southwest Virginia?s Democratic congressman, has initially expressed support for the reform plan moving through House committees. ?But the bill before us is a long way from where I think it needs to be,? Boucher said in a statement on his House Web site.
President Obama could make stop in SW Va. - Kingsport Times-News Online
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He'll be in Bristol tomorrow around 4, not a town-hall thing like it was in Lebanon...only Kroger employees there are supposed to have tickets.
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Sotomayor approved, every republican except one voted against. Surprise, surprise.
Judiciary Committee OKs Sotomayor for high court - Yahoo! News
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For the 'ones' who think he wasn't born here. lmao
Hawaii: Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News
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Wish they would extend the 2 billion to keep it going.
Clunker car deals could end by Friday - Autos- msnbc.com
Reiterates no middle-class tax hike.
White House says no tax hike for middle class - White House- msnbc.com
I have a feeling Obama is painting himself into the same corner as GHW Bush with the tax talk. Too many strong rumblings from those within IMO for it not to happen.
I'd say they'll have to eventually impose some kind of value-added tax to raise revenue.